Michelle Obama said she entered therapy hoping to “unwind some old habits” and “sort through some old guilt,” again addressing the freedom that has come with no longer being the first lady.

In a candid conversation on Jay Shetty’s podcast, she shared that she’s actively in therapy, using it as a space to reflect, heal, and better understand herself after years of public service and motherhood. With her daughters grown and leading their own lives, Michelle spoke about the shift from constantly giving to others to now focusing inward.